Confederate troops turn toward Pea Ridge and DJ Robe Flax bides Fayetteville adieu | OU Daily Crier for Wednesday, March 3, 2010
Banner, Daily Crier, News — By Christopher Spencer on March 3, 2010 at 2:11 pm
General Earl Van Dorn
Again, thanks to Fayetteville History for this local history anecdote:
Confederate troops under command of General Earl Van Dorn marched through Fayetteville on this day in 1862, headed north for the battle at Pea Ridge, sometimes referred to as the battle of Elk Horn Tavern.
Now, check out these present-day events:
- Marc Laney (aka Robé Flax, aka Truss, aka Chappuh, aka Max Growth, aka Kitten Douglas) is packin’ his bags and movin’ on up to the Pacific Northwest – Portland, Oregon to be exact. Apparently, this rumor has been floating around for years…but this time he really means it, folks! There will be a listening party for him tonight between 8 p.m. and 10 p.m. tonight on KXUA. You can also listen to online at http://kxua.uark.edu/ If you’ve not listened to The Best Cuts of Music show, then you’re missing out.
- Country rock musician Eric Church performs at 7:30 p.m. tonight at the Walton Arts Center. Tickets are $23.50.
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Somewhat related questions, following preamble: A lot of people up here wear confederate insignias, the flag etc. If I was a black man, I would find this highly offensive. Where’s the outrage? And if a conferederate flag is ok, would a swastika be cool? And are there some Germans who re-enact WWI/II battles?
I mean… why do some folks celebrate getting their asses kicked?
I have often wondered the same thing, Bruce. I guess it’s a lot like playing cowboys and Indians. I always wanted to be the Indians even though I knew they lost. I find it strange that people are offended with these games. It’s just a way to gather and mingle with people of similar interests. In this case, history buffs. There just doesn’t seem to be any way to reenact history without the bad guys.
Barbara: I hear that; the Indians were way cooler.
Comparing a Swastika and a Confederate Flag is just showing your ignorance Bruce. Why don’t you study some history, particularly reconstruction history here and Arkansas, and may be you could a better sense of why people would might want to honor their heritage.
So, Phil, I could always use more education, as I am sure you would agree… so tell me, wouldn’t a swastika be a part of German heritage? (Don’t mind that big elephant in the room, bubba. Just imagine it with advertising and a number on it, like a big grey NASCAR ride.)
I fortunately know enough about history to know that reconstruction was implemented by the Republicans…
Also, I am interested in losing my ignorance, so I can understand how the phrase “would might” was never taught to me in school. Of course, I didn’t have an education in Arkansas, so maybe that had something… I mean, maybe that “would might” have something to do with it.
Game over.
Bruce … Living in Arkansas is an educational experience every day. Just watch the carpetbagging Yankees trying to mix with the unreconstructed Rebs. Hilarious … and yet insidious. Does your Arkansas education go deep enough to include the phrase “fixin to” as a part of everyday conversation?
Bruce, a swastika actually has very little to do with German history…
Do you have a computer just so you can troll comments sections and say ignorant things and make fun of typos? Why don’t you go read the wikipedia article on swastikas and reconstruction and then try and reply in less than 3 comments.
Oooh Boy.
“Bruce, a swastika actually has very little to do with German history… ”
Only if you can overlook that unfortunate little episode in the first half of the 20th century.
Symbols are often misappropriated and meanings twisted, that doesn’t mean their historical use and abuse can or should be white-washed.
Tom, if anyone white washed history, it was the Nazis. The swastika has a history that goes back thousands of years. The Confederate flag does not. It’s a knee jerk reaction to compare people you don’t like to Nazis. It’s practically it’s own logical fallacy.
Wikipedia…. yeah, that’s a great place to learn history. The swastika was representative of Nazi Germany (i.e., German historical relevance). You should check it out, it was hard to miss from the late 1920s to 1945.
The confederate flag was representative of the secessionists in the U.S.
One thing both have in common, as you aptly said: the Nazis and the south were definitely into “white-washing.” Work on your game, son. You can’t hang with me.
Actually, Wikipedia is just as accurate as Britannica, but I guess you could contend that neither are a good place to really learn history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia (yes, I realize the irony)
It’s always interesting what people find offensive. I don’t think an inanimate object can be offensive in and of itself unless someone is looking for a reason to be offended. I see lots of people these days who look for things to be offended by. If that floats their boat more power to them. I try to operate under the notion of what holds my attention holds me. Mileage varies.
Morgan, ever heard of the art piece called “Piss Christ”? That’s inanimate. A lot of people got pretty worked up over it. Guess it doesn’t bother you; good on ya. Is burning an American flag OK with you? Some people find that offensive. I don’t, because I believe in freedom of expression. It’s reprehensible… but the cost of doing business.
I find the confederate flag disgusting and offensive. I think the swastika is vile; my wife’s parents don’t have a family tree because it was murdered in the concentration camps. A swastika represents evil and hatred to me and millions of other people, and it offends me. A confederate flag represents evil, hatred and repression to me, and it offends me. Someone who burns an American flag is a lowlife in my eyes, but I am grateful that I live in a country that allows people the freedom to be idiots. So I guess we’re also stuck with the confederate flag. But I think those people suck.
So please let me know: do none of these things bother you at all? Because that’s the impression your post conveys. Just trying to verify. It will make it a lot easier to decide whether to continue to give you the benefit of a doubt.
Bruce – although I feel it’s an exercise in futility because you tend to look for offense from what I’ve seen, I will amuse you with my answers.
I am well aware of the Piss Christ, yes. I don’t find it at all offensive. It’s probably not a good example to try to use on me since I am an athiest. That aside, I still find the uproar over that piece to be silly. I’ve had long conversations with friends who make their living as artists over that piece. We’ve all agreed the uproar over it is silly and somewhat hypocritical. There isn’t really a good working definition of art so how can there possibly be a good definition of offensive art?
Burning the American flag is fine with me. I absolutely respect someone’s right to burn it. Would I burn it? Nope, sure wouldn’t. Would I likely hang out with someone who would burn the American flag? Depends on what reasons they gave for doing so. Does a burning American flag offend me? Nope. Does someone who burns the American flag because they think our country sucks but who has no problem enjoying all the rights and gifts that come with being an American offend me? I don’t know if they offend me so much as they piss me off. Notice that it’s the action of the person that upsets me, not the inanimate object.
Do the white power skin head nazi thugs offend me? Yep. Bigots, bullies, hypocrits, racists, sexists, cowards and a few dozen other offend me. On any given day there are probably at least two people or groups I come across that offend me. The religious right offended me today. The goddesses offended me today. Perhaps it’s better and more accurate to say that their opinions disgust and offend my own sensibilities. But never do objects offend me or upset me.
I choose to be offended or not. I choose my own moral compass, opinions and beliefs. The people who are close to me have an impact on that as well as the public at large. I have enough of a time handling all that without letting simply objects offend me. I try to always look at the person or persons behind the object to find where my offense should lay. I give away enough of my time and attention and power on that without giving it to objects as well. My best explanation perhaps is the word that starts with a c and rhymes with hunt. It’s never bothered me in the slightest. It’s simply a word. It has only the power and meaning that I choose to give it. If I don’t give it any then it holds none over me. Whether I have your benefit of the doubt and whether you or I like each all that much (my jury is still out on that) you are always making me think. On that note I think I am off to the movies.
Morgan, that is an outstanding, well-considered point of view. Thank you for articulating it so thoughtfully. On a lighter note, who do you like at the Oscars? I haven’t seen all the films, but I thought “Precious” and “Up in the Air” were especially memorable. Wish I’d seen “The Hurt Locker,” and I still don’t get all the blather over “Avatar.” It’s just a video game to me.
It’s hard to articulate but thanks. The Oscars? I don’t see a lot of movies lately because Andy’s schedule and mine don’t match very often plus I’ve been busy at a new job. I don’t think we’ve managed to catch even one of the movies nominated. Given the nature of my job I typically like those mindless entertaining flicks like Valentine Day which we saw last night. Not a great flick but easy entertainment. I think the only movie I’ve seen that’s nominated is the football one with Sandra Bullock in it. It was a good movie but not what I would call an Oscar movie. Prescious and Up are on my list to see. I agree with you totally about Avatar and Hurt Locker didn’t interest me much (don’t tend to like the violent movies) until the recent litigation on it surfaced. Litigation interests me so I might catch that one when it comes out on television/netflix/dvd/vcr/whs whatever.
NPR had an interesting interview with the producer for Avatar. I could almost go see that flick just to hear the language they made up for it. It’s apparently quite an interesting process – making up a new language. I might just give it a go. I could tell a whole lot of people what I really think about them and they would never have a clue what I am saying! Enjoy the day. I am off to climb roofs.